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Jolanky

Persistant thrush

I have been battling with thrush in my nipples for over six months now and wanted to see whether anyone had any hot tips that I haven't heard of.

I have tried anti fungal creams and pills, citricidal applied topically and taken orally, acidophilus, excluding sugar, yeast, cheese, caffeine, femented products, dried fruit and fruit juice from my diet and more recently I have been visiting a homeopath. I am also putting citricidal in my wash and washing hot where I can.

The thrush is managable at the moment but I just can't get rid of it. I want to try out a technique in the 'no cry sleep solution' to help with our sleeping problems (will if i'm honest the sleep problems aren't mine, I could sleep standing up at the moment) but I can't do this until my nipples are in a better state.

Any help will be much appreciated  Very Happy
admin

Shame, you've had it hard you poor thing!  Hope someone out there has some advice for you so you can start eating cake again soon! xxx
Jolanky

Thanks, you know how I like my cake!  Laughing
Anne Thomas

Hello Jolanky

You say you have tried anti-fungal creams - does this include calendula or marigold?  This is an excellent anti-fungal and skin healing cream.  I also find taking it as a tea is great for getting rid of the thrush within the system - treating it topically really never gets rid of it properly.  I am not a herbalist - although I did start to train several years ago.  If you are breast-feeding then you would need to consider taking it internally as obviously it would get into your baby.  If you have marigold flowers growing in the garden, then you could simply make a tea from a few of the flowers and bathe the nipples.  Make sure it is calendula and not the tagetes varieties of margold.
adeline

Hello there,
I know from experience that persistant thrush can be so demoralizing.
Have you had this diagnosed by your GP, as the course of oral tablets is usually very effective if things become dire, and if youv'e had no success with other treatments, it's worth making sure it isn't something else?
Are you breastfeeding at the moment and how old is little one? Is it just in the nipple that you have symptoms at present? I'm sure you are already aware that BOTH of you must be treated even if there are no apparent symptoms in baby.
Following an anti candida diet is a really good idea and you are doing everything right! Some people are just very vunerable to thrush.
Have you thought of trying colloidal silver spray, available from health stores? I have not used it myself but it has been recommended to me.
I hope it improves soon. Let me know how it's going.
Jolanky

Anne Thomas wrote:
Hello Jolanky

You say you have tried anti-fungal creams - does this include calendula or marigold?  This is an excellent anti-fungal and skin healing cream.  I also find taking it as a tea is great for getting rid of the thrush within the system - treating it topically really never gets rid of it properly.  I am not a herbalist - although I did start to train several years ago.  If you are breast-feeding then you would need to consider taking it internally as obviously it would get into your baby.  If you have marigold flowers growing in the garden, then you could simply make a tea from a few of the flowers and bathe the nipples.  Make sure it is calendula and not the tagetes varieties of margold.


Hi Anne,

I am currently using a cream with calendula in it along with some other anti fungal ingredients. It's a cream made by inlight so all natural products. I've not tried taking it as a tea. Can I buy this at a health food shop? If so do you know what it is exactly I should ask for? Thanks xx
Jolanky

adeline wrote:
Hello there,
I know from experience that persistant thrush can be so demoralizing.
Have you had this diagnosed by your GP, as the course of oral tablets is usually very effective. Are you breastfeeding at the moment and how old is little one? Is it just in the nipple that you have symptoms at present?I'm sure you are aware that BOTH of you must be treated even if there are no apparent symptoms in baby.
Following an anti candida diet is a really good idea and you are doing everything right! Some people are just very vunerable to thrush.
Have you thought of trying colloidal silver spray, available from health stores? I have not used it myself but it has been recommended to me.
I hope it improves soon. Let me know how it's going.


Hi Adeline,

Thanks for you post. My GP confirmed it was Thrush back in february and I have been back to her more times than I care to recall. I have had several courses of anti fungals the most recent being for about 6 weeks with the maximum loading dose and a 100mg dose daily. It kept it at bay but didn't clear it up. I stopped taking the tablets about 3 weeks ago now and it's still there but thankfully hasn't got any worse.

My daughter is 15 months and still feeds a lot. Especailly at night. I had been treating her but stopped fairly recently. Colloidal Silver is one of the few things I haven't tried. Thought I read about side effects? Do you know of any. It might have been die off effect?

Have actually been less strict with my diet recently and it doesn't seem to make a difference. Not sure what to do now as it's not horrible anymore just uncomfortable, not sure if I should just try and keep it at bay until I stop feeding but that could be a long way off............

xx
adeline

That does seem strange..poor you. Is it worth having a second opinion from a different GP? They dont have a terribly good reputation with diagnosing breastfeeding issues, although yours may be very good. Are you sure she's not re infecting you? Has she been treated too? I know it's awful having to keep on taking things, especially when they're not 'natural', but sometimes you have to way up the pro's and cons. Is it just the nipple or deep ducts too?
As I said, I've never tried colloidal silver, but it's worth looking into possible effects and weighing up the pro's and con's. Do you have a good breastfeeding support group locally. Most children's centres have them and peer support Mums can be a wealth of knowledge?
I have an 18 month old who feeds a lot at night too. Sometimes we are both so busy in the day, we forget to 'tank up' and he makes up for it by night nursing when prolactin is most active in producing lots of milk fast. I also find that since I feed him lying down in bed at night, our 'latch' can be a bit sloppy and I sometimes end up getting a bit rubbed by toddler teeth. I notice I'm a bit sensitive in the day then. Could that be exasperating the soreness in your case do you think?
It's truely exhausting, especially with older children during the day, but at least it keeps my supply well stimulated!
Anne Thomas

Hi Jolanky

If you email me privately I can send you some dried to try.  Sometimes you will get it from a good health food shop - but not many now sell loose dried herbs.

You are likely to get some increase in symptoms as the calendula flushes out the thrush, and possibly looser bowels too as they are cleared.  But this should only last a day or two.  Marigold flowers used to be added to stews and have a slightly warming effect.

I used to have persistent thrush but have less of a problem with it now.  It took a little while to clear but regular use of calendula seemed to sort it.
Jolanky

adeline wrote:
That does seem strange..poor you. Is it worth having a second opinion from a different GP? They dont have a terribly good reputation with diagnosing breastfeeding issues, although yours may be very good. Are you sure she's not re infecting you? Has she been treated too? I know it's awful having to keep on taking things, especially when they're not 'natural', but sometimes you have to way up the pro's and cons. Is it just the nipple or deep ducts too?
As I said, I've never tried colloidal silver, but it's worth looking into possible effects and weighing up the pro's and con's. Do you have a good breastfeeding support group locally. Most children's centres have them and peer support Mums can be a wealth of knowledge?
I have an 18 month old who feeds a lot at night too. Sometimes we are both so busy in the day, we forget to 'tank up' and he makes up for it by night nursing when prolactin is most active in producing lots of milk fast. I also find that since I feed him lying down in bed at night, our 'latch' can be a bit sloppy and I sometimes end up getting a bit rubbed by toddler teeth. I notice I'm a bit sensitive in the day then. Could that be exasperating the soreness in your case do you think?
It's truely exhausting, especially with older children during the day, but at least it keeps my supply well stimulated!


Hi Adeline,

My GP is fairly good I would say, so I do trust her opinion. I have also been to my local breastfeeding support group and this is where the Thrush was first spotted. They have also taken a good look at my daughters latch on on more than one occasion and they seem to think it's very good. I do think that regular feeding is playing a part in stopping the Thrush from clearing up and when we have had a 'busy night' I certainly feel the difference the next day.

I stopped treating Isabel with prescribed drugs a while back because they weren't working. She has had thrush visable in her mouth in the past but now doesn't and this has been due to the citricidal I was using, I think? Maybe she is reinfecting me though. Do you think it would be possible for her to have symptoms sometimes but have symptomless thrush at others?
Anne Thomas

Thrush is really a symptom of a broader condition called 'candida' and it is entirely possible to have candida without necessarily having thrush.  I have attached a link through to the National Candida's website so you can read a bit more about the symptoms.

Anne

http://www.candida-society.org/ncs/symptoms.htm
adeline

Hi Jo, I thought the following message from another candida sufferer might be of interest to you...

''I would suggest stricter diet as I mentioned - when I was really bad when my baby was little I really noticed it when I ate, for example, sweetcorn - the next day my nipples would have flared up again and be agony. And it took a long time of cutting everything out to clear it - did your friend do the restricted diet long enough? It was certainly at least a month of super-strict candida diet I seem to remember before I could risk having something sweet or yeast. And I would definitely still treat the child - they quite like acidophilus and that seemed to be enough for us after the initial Citricidal cleansing! I notice you say that being less strict with the diet hasn't affected it lately - perhaps it has cleared up and it's just really sensitive nipples remaining??? Mine were tender for AGES after what with all the new healed skin. If it's not aching deep in the breast and is just on the nipples I'd be inclined to think it was gone or very nearly and she just needs to persevere a wee bit longer with the diet etc and the nipples will recover. Fingers crossed!''
Nature's Mother

How is the thrush Jo? Hope you & Isabel are feeling better. xxx
Jolanky

We are cured!!!!!! I don't beleive it. I haven't had pain free nipples since December. Life is definatley good at the moment. Not only that but Isabel's sleep is getting a whole lot better so I am feeling on top of the world. Thanks Anne for the tea you sent me I'm sure this combined with the Homeopathy were what worked in the end. I'm also sure that for a little while I was suffering with damaged skin rather than thrush so thanks for that info Adeline, it really helped. I am now so glad I didn't stop feeding as I am back to really enjoying it and it's a great tool to calm a little girl whos world is changing so fast.
Anne Thomas

I'm so glad you're sorted.  It will be a great relief.

As I said before, marigold tea can be used on grazed or cut skin - it's a  great skin healer.  Or you could make a simple marigold oil.  Put some of the petals in a jar and cover with some oil - like olive or sweet almond.  Cover and leave in the sun for about a week or so, shaking the jar every day.  Then strain.  This is lovely and soothing as it is or you could then develop this on and easily make a salve.  Once you have strained the oil, put the oil in a glass jar or jug in a pan with some hot water and simmer gently to warm the oil.  Add a small amount of beeswax and allow that to melt.  Once it has melted remove the pan from the heat and the jar/jug from the hot water.  Stir the salve until it sets.  The amount of beeswax depends on the quantity of oil, but you don't need a lot, so only start with a small amount.  If you find it is too runny, you can always reheat it gently and add a bit more.  If you've added too much beeswax, warm the salve up again and stir in a bit more oil.  If you do all this in a jar, you aren't constantly having to pour the mix into different jugs and jars.

The beeswax just adds to its healing power and makes it even lovelier!  It's great for things like nappy rash and grazed knees.  Marigold is antiseptic and anti-fungal.

If you want recipe quantities to try, I base mine on 25g beeswax to 300ml infused oil.  So, for example, 100ml would be roughly 8g.
Nature's Mother

Wow Jo!! I am so happy for you!  Will have to meet up real soon! xxx

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